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Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.12.06 14:41:00 - [1] Logging of is killing pvp! Ha hahah... deal with it. We all do it... even pvpers. So to say it kills pvp is a hypocritical argument. Saying it kills ganking and griefing, then yes. That leads to more lame tactics by pvpers to yet again find other ganker/grief ways outside of pvpers, by scanning missioners. Why you scanning my mission! What right do they get to kill my objetives and take my wrecks. This is my personal deadspace. Nothing can be done here... perhaps an slight oversight by the devs. But it will always lead the 'Eve is non-consential pvp' argument. Okay, whatever... if that statement is true... it doesnt matter or not. It doesnt make it right or wrong to grief unwanting pvpers. It finally leads to this... why do you feel you have to pvp those that wish not to pvp? And referring to pvp I'm referring to setting up an uber ship to DPS the other uber DPS ship out of his socks. Again, those that claim pvp rules... simply wish to take on those that rather run solo, or stay in a happy empire corps. Why dont our loving pvpers fight eachother? I guess you have to ask them all that question. The few honorable ones do, but I'm afraid many wannabe pvpers are ruing what true pvp is about and also ruining the true pve that will never die. Missioners are the only true solo aspect left in Eve... Eve is PVE, simple. The players fighting other players are still categorized in the 'P' of PVE. Eve has NPCs... so stop saying this is a PVP game... its not. its far bigger than that... but go play Unreal if you want PVP.
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.12.06 14:48:00 - [2] Originally by: Avon Bought anything off the market recently? Feel sorry for the guy who was griefed by the person who undercut him to get your business? Nah, thought not. Stretching to make a point... didnt work... failed misreably. Eve still PVE.
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.12.06 14:52:00 - [3] Doesn't make it PvP either... there are still items sold only by NPCs. Guess that's just not part of the game for you.
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.12.06 14:59:00 - [4] Edited by: Lord Frost on 06/12/2006 15:00:56 I made my point... you don't know how that item got in the market. Could of came off a deadspace rat in a solo misson. PVE. To put it in terms you can understand... PvEvP or... PLAYERS(all players) vs ENVIRONMENT
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.12.06 15:09:00 - [5] Originally by: Avon Originally by: BurnHard btw, what do think of WTZ? ;) Hate it, don't get me started. Every time CCP pander to the "easymode" "risk adversed" players we end up with a forum full of threads asking for even more aspects of Eve to be "dumbed down". Give 'em an inch... hehe... okay ... I'm sure ego Avon won't ever WTZ.... ROLF.... its too dumb down for him.
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.12.06 15:17:00 - [6] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Lord Frost hehe... okay ... I'm sure ego Avon won't ever WTZ.... ROLF.... its too dumb down for him. Of course I will. I am not going to put myself at a disadvantage by not using the game mechanics. However, I would much rather that those mechanics did not exist. Same with Jumpclones. They are an overpowered game mechanic, which is why I hate them, and use them. ahh, its good to have opinions... too bad yours are always selfish for your own agenda.
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.12.06 16:35:00 - [7] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Lord Frost ahh, its good to have opinions... too bad yours are always selfish for your own agenda. If I was arguing from a purely selfish position I would argue in favour of jumpclones & wtz, both make me far more combat effective, and allow alliances to project power to control areas far greater than would otherwise be possible. Great... I think I'm weening you now to the bright side of things... hahah. In other comments about this post....WOW, so much anger from such a loving group. You all must really love your gankfests. I can tell when I get under your skin. All I have to do is say Eve is NOT PvP... Its PVE and you all go ballistic. Can you comprehend that the players interaction is the player side of PvE... and the enviroment in the other side? No matter what you do, where you have gone, there was some game mechanic that had some PvE element in it that got you to where you are now with what you have.... end of story. PVE. There's not one person that can say they are where they are purely from PvP... creat an alt, and lets see how far you get. Oh wait, I think you have to buy some skills... I think you have to buy mods, and ships, all of which are made by players doing PvE... hmmm, maybe some named items found in mission loots. Nope, you can't have those... they we're dropped from a PvE experience. Let's see how much spin you all can get from that one... ready... wait for it... go!
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.12.06 16:52:00 - [8] Originally by: DefJam101 Originally by: Lord Frost Logging of is killing pvp! Ha hahah... deal with it. We all do it... even pvpers. So to say it kills pvp is a hypocritical argument. Saying it kills ganking and griefing, then yes. Your a disgrace -_- hahah... you have no argument for the truth. If someone you are pvping logs off, then why exactly is the point of saying it kills pvp when pvpers are doing it? And I'd be the first to bet if you were in the same situaltion, you'd also log off. You're so hypocritical. Somone has the current advantage looks at the logoff as a problem for his kills, but when its reversed you see it as a way to avoid dying. Common sense my friend... logging off kills ganking and griefing... thats the more acceptable statment. You've been lawyered!
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.12.06 16:55:00 - [9] Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte so following your logic - there's no PvP game. counterstrike - as you buy the weapons/ammo from the "environment", omni-present market 4tw unreal tournament - as your your weapons and ammo spawn on certain points of the map you get all your stuff from the "environment" every other game - there's no game that doesn't introduce ressources/objects through the "environment" maybe second life could be, using your logic, classified as a PvP game. you know a term that is used to describe allmost everything hasn't much informative value. No, you're stretching to make points for your lack of an arguemnt. Eve is PvE cause it has the AI from NPC rats.... nuff said. It has game situations for the individual gamer. Don't streeeeeeeeeeeeeetch and form unrealistic comparision.
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.12.06 17:08:00 - [10] Originally by: Kiyano Originally by: Lord Frost Eve is PvE cause it has the AI from NPC rats.... nuff said. I think you mean Eve HAS PvE not IS PvE. Pretty much all the PvE in this game is a means to an end, and that end almost always ends up being PvP. I don't really see any argument for Eve being a primarily PvE game getting very far when it quite clearly isn't. Truth is I can join this game, and not once have to deal with another player if I choose not to. All the bps, research, missions, belts are avialable for me... I can be a solo for life here.
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.12.06 17:12:00 - [11] Originally by: Hans Roaming EVE is a PVP game with PVE content, from combat to market to mining and npcing it's all verses other players and non consential. As for combat pvpers fighting each other what do you think happens in the 0.0 alliances? Also where do you think the high end content happens? Not seen many titans and outposts in empire myself lately. I can agree with this statement... but think about 0.0 alliances... yes they pvp, but when they don't, most PvE in their complexes and belts
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.12.06 18:35:00 - [12] Originally by: Blacklight Some people like to play the bad guy online to have fun, Eve allows them to do this. Just because you, the original poster here or anyone else reading these forums doesn't like to play that way doesn't mean there is anything wrong with it or with the people behind the characters that do it - for you all you know they could be doctors, Nobel Laureates or priests. Play the bad guy... fine, that's not the problem. How long have people been able to run these missions without intrusion... and now we have expliots of the scanning system which was designed to weed out safespot huggers and used in exploration. The PvPers wanted this, yet they use it to attack those that wish not to PvP. Its a game mechanic that is NEW, yet you all think its perfectly fine. How so? It changed many of our gamestyles and disrupted a design made for the solo missioner... the deadspace. So, it is literally a broken game mechanic... there is NO viable counter, there is a huge flaw on one said. But of course the 'bad guy' likes it. Realize this, then try not to be selfish, and look for a common gameplay ground... such as anyone jumping in your deadspace is immediatly flagged and killable. Howver, you have to leave room for noobs to begin this game... so limit that to lvl 3 and 4s. You see, its about compromise, not trying to be an uber piewat bastid. Those exploiting weak lame tactics are pathetic... who cares if its allowed under the game mechanics... you're still pathetic, and only an idiotso would sit here and say nothing is wrong with the new design... well, I'm sure some day, but those are the selfish ones only in it for their own selfish agenda.
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.12.06 19:56:00 - [13] Edited by: Lord Frost on 06/12/2006 19:59:27 Edited by: Lord Frost on 06/12/2006 19:59:02 Originally by: Verone Player interaction is key to it's survival, and vital to keep the economy balanced. I can survive solo forever... interaction is not the key, its the added excitment. It no way helps balance anything... its your choice, and if you chose not to do it, you can still survive. Eve was developed to choose your own path. Many have chose to go solo and do quite well I might add. Quote: In three years of playing "Eve is PvE" is the most rediculous thing I've ever heard someone say. truth hurts... you are blinded by your own selfishness. Quote: If you think "PvP" is all about playing unreal tournament and ranking highest on a scoreboard somewhere in Eve, you're completely wrong on the most fundamental level. Yes. that is TRUE PvP... Eve is not that... Eve is far more. It is PvE on a grand scale. Quote: The entire core principle of how Eve's economy is sustained is based on player interaction, player vs player interaction and player vs player combat. You left out player vs environment... where MUCH of everything you probably obtain in Eve came from... period. Without the those players, you'd have a far less, most likely nothing of value. Quote: "PvP" doesn't mean blowing someone up PvE doesn't mean not blowing someone up either. Quote: Every time you undercut a market price, or train an industrial skill to be able to produce faster than someone else, you're PvPing. You're effectively trying to get an advantage over another player. What about running a complex? a mission? mining a belt? mining ice? setting up a POS? ratting in low sec? I'm sure all those are PvP too in your selfish world. Answer me then why someone can say "Logging off ruins PvP"? Its a know fact what pvp is... combat. To try and justify the market as pvp is pathetic. MMORPG (Massive Multiplayer) only means many planyers. It not way contends that its PvP. Quote: Sadly, people who do this never enjoy Eve to it's full extent and never grasp the concept of what it is to be part of a large scale operation inside Eve's world, where with the numbers and determination, achieving anything within game mechanics is possible. You can work with someone, and not be against anyone. There are thousands of corps that PvE with eachother.... again, not a PvP game. Quote: Eve is PvP based, everything you do here has effects on another player, no matter how minute, or how slight they are, whether it be blowing the hell out of someone, or putting a module on the market. Each player's wits are guaged aganist anothers on a daily basis and generally, the smarter more devious come out on top. Eve is PvE based, everything you do here goes back to some result of a PvE interaction... PvP are those competing for that ineraction.
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.12.06 23:29:00 - [14] Originally by: Verone You will realise one day that without player to player interaction,and therefor competition, and thus PvP, there would be no Eve. There would be no economy, no stability in game nothing, and the whole infrastructure of TQ would collapse. You're streching to try and make a valid point... LOL. We all know players interact, but why do they interact? To compete for the environment. Why do we fight for 0.0 space if we are not going to PvE and utilize that space? The common goal of PvP is to gain more and PvE. You prepare with PvE... and you strive for ultimate PvE... Hence this is PvE. You are very lackluster on your knowledge... shame.

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